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The XP patch will likely do nothing as to functionality. It is pretty strictly a security issue within XP.

The examples of a browser or program no longer running has nothing to do with XP directly other than it is no longer supported. It is the vendors of the browser/program that has decided to no longer support XP. Microsoft has nothing to do with this. The vendors decline to support an older operating system simply due it not being profitable. I mean, seriously, why would they continue to spend many hours of programming to make a browser/program work on both a current and obsolete operating system?

Now let's take Windows 2007 and Office 2007. Office 2007 is well past its end of life and no longer supported. That is why you cannot use phone activation. Windows 2007 will re4ach its end of life in a bit over three months and will no longer be supported. It will still work but will get no updates. Phone activation for Windows 7 will also be lost. All this is agreed to when you click on the checkbox saying that you accept the user agreement.

Actually, with Office, I think that Microsoft has gone beyond what could be expected by offering the main components of Office for free on-line through
https://products.office.com/en-us/free-office-online-for-the-web
It is a bit more cumbersome as to saving files to your local system but is able. If Microsoft were only profit driven why would they offer free on-line functionality for this? Yes, Microsoft is profit driven but they also seem to consider those that cannot afford full blown packages. Why else would it be possible for a user to make use of most Office features for free on-line?

I am NOT a Microsoft advocate at all and have often griped about things that Microsoft has done in the past. Still the problems that you are having as to Office 2007 and such is not at all the fault of Microsoft. They are a vendor just like any other software producer and have to make a profit to continue to make Windows more operational and safe. Yes, an operating system is nothing more than software.

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The XP patch will likely do nothing as to functionality. It is pretty strictly a security issue within XP.

The examples of a browser or program no longer running has nothing to do with XP directly other than it is no longer supported. It is the vendors of the browser/program that has decided to no longer support XP. Microsoft has nothing to do with this. The vendors decline to support an older operating system simply due it not being profitable. I mean, seriously, why would they continue to spend many hours of programming to make a browser/program work on both a current and obsolete operating system?

Now let's take Windows 2007 and Office 2007. Office 2007 is well past its end of life and no longer supported. That is why you cannot use phone activation. Windows 2007 will re4ach its end of life in a bit over three months and will no longer be supported. It will still work but will get no updates. Phone activation for Windows 7 will also be lost. All this is agreed to when you click on the checkbox saying that you accept the user agreement.

Actually, with Office, I think that Microsoft has gone beyond what could be expected by offering the main components of Office for free on-line through
https://products.office.com/en-us/free-office-online-for-the-web
It is a bit more cumbersome as to saving files to your local system but is able. If Microsoft were only profit driven why would they offer free on-line functionality for this? Yes, Microsoft is profit driven but they also seem to consider those that cannot afford full blown packages. Why else would it be possible for a user to make use of most Office features for free on-line?

I am NOT a Microsoft advocate at all and have often griped about things that Microsoft has done in the past. Still the problems that you are having as to Office 2007 and such is not at all the fault of Microsoft. They are a vendor just like any other software producer and have to make a profit to continue to make Windows more operational and safe. Yes, an operating system is nothing more than software.


OMG.....I booted Windows XP for the first time in about 5 years and inserted the 3 times authorized 4 times used MS Home and Student disk into the DVD Drive and Lo and Behold.....like Magic, Windows XP spewed out Word, excel, power point etc; It went on to press for "activation". My guess is that activation will make the program shut down. It works fine on XP so no reason for any further action.

I noticed quite a few MS Home and Student Disks for sale on Ebay really cheap so do you think they would install on my Windows 7 computer? Many of them are used so I would only buy a new one that allows 3 installs and is sealed.


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Your install of Office 2007 is probably seen as a trial install and will fail in 30 days unless activated.

As to buying from Ebay any version of Office will install and run on Windows 7. If you go that route just be careful as many program sales on Ebay have been reported to be bootleg.

To be honest I just don't get it. Why do you insist on running and/or buying obsolete software when Libre will do what you need for free and is active and offers updates?

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Your install of Office 2007 is probably seen as a trial install and will fail in 30 days unless activated. (Time will tell)

As to buying from Ebay any version of Office will install and run on Windows 7. If you go that route just be careful as many program sales on Ebay have been reported to be bootleg. ( Yes, it looks kind of scary to me too)

To be honest I just don't get it. Why do you insist on running and/or buying obsolete software when Libre will do what you need for free and is active and offers updates?
(Because I have over a TB of data, much of which is on Word and I can no longer access it without MS Word. All I get is Windows cannot open this ***.doc)


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Libre Office's Write should open the files. If Libre is installed try right clicking on one of these files and select to open with Libre.
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

I would also think that the free MS Office on-line should be able to open such files.
https://products.office.com/en-us/free-office-online-for-the-web
I have tried the free on-line version of Word, Excel and Power Point with no issue. Just select the upload and open option for whichever app.

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jaylach wrote:
To be honest I just don't get it. Why do you insist on running and/or buying obsolete software when Libre will do what you need for free and is active and offers updates?


Hi Jay......I would use Libre Office if I could produce the same results as I get in word or if you can tell me how to do it.

As an example, go to the page in Computer Haven where we are having this discussion and highlight 5 or 6 questions and answers down the page and then copy and paste into Libre Office. When I do this, all the text and links show up but none of the pictures and none of the links work.

When I do this very same thing using MS Word, all the text, links, and pictures show up and all the links work. It displays just as if I were on the actual page. That is what I need to have happen and that is why I want to be able to use MS Word


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Then you may want to try the free Office on-line to which I linked above. Don't know if it will do what you want but may.

Actually I just tried the above and it works with the free Office On-line. The only thing that I see is that you need to hold the CTRL key when clicking on a link for it to work but I have always experienced this with Word.

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Then you may want to try the free Office on-line to which I linked above. Don't know if it will do what you want but may.

Actually I just tried the above and it works with the free Office On-line. The only thing that I see is that you need to hold the CTRL key when clicking on a link for it to work but I have always experienced this with Word.


I was on the phone with my sister and she said she has a copy of MS Home and Student Office. She said as far as she knows, there is no restrictions on how many times it can be used so first of the week I am going to take a run over to her place and pick it up....and if that does not work, it looks like free Office on line will be my next choice. I will let you know how it turns out. Thanks for your help.


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Then you may want to try the free Office on-line to which I linked above. Don't know if it will do what you want but may.

Actually I just tried the above and it works with the free Office On-line. The only thing that I see is that you need to hold the CTRL key when clicking on a link for it to work but I have always experienced this with Word.


I was on the phone with my sister and she said she has a copy of MS Home and Student Office. She said as far as she knows, there is no restrictions on how many times it can be used so first of the week I am going to take a run over to her place and pick it up....and if that does not work, it looks like free Office on line will be my next choice. I will let you know how it turns out. Thanks for your help.

It depends on the version of Office Home and Student but none offer unlimited installs. If it is the current version the max package allows for 6 devices.

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Then you may want to try the free Office on-line to which I linked above. Don't know if it will do what you want but may.

Actually I just tried the above and it works with the free Office On-line. The only thing that I see is that you need to hold the CTRL key when clicking on a link for it to work but I have always experienced this with Word.


I was on the phone with my sister and she said she has a copy of MS Home and Student Office. She said as far as she knows, there is no restrictions on how many times it can be used so first of the week I am going to take a run over to her place and pick it up....and if that does not work, it looks like free Office on line will be my next choice. I will let you know how it turns out. Thanks for your help.

It depends on the version of Office Home and Student but none offer unlimited installs. If it is the current version the max package allows for 6 devices.


Oh Jeez......sis's CD with word on it installed everything ok but right at the end it asked for the Product Key and there it was right on the back of the CD Case right next to "Do Not Lose This Case" because you will need to refer to the product key located on the Microsoft Certificate of Authenticity "EVERY" time you install this software..........so there it was, I typed it in and guess what !!! It said this is an INVALID KEY. I went back and meticulously checked each letter and number to make sure it was correct and there were no mistakes. Do you think there is any way around this? or has MS torpedoed my ship again?


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Did you uninstall the existing version of Office before installing the new? If not it MAY be looking for a valid key for the initial install. That is just a guess as I really don't know. Also remember that even if a character in the key looks like 'O - oh' it is probably '0 zero'.

Keep in mind that even if you get the code entered and accepted it is possible that it still won't activate if it is Office 2007 Home and student. I doubt this but it is possible as Office 2007 reached its end of life just over two years ago and may have been removed from the activation servers.

I would still try selecting to open with Libre Write or using the on-line Office.

Hey, I just tried something. Open Wordpad and try some of your Word files. Wordpad WILL open .docx files. I tried several and they all loaded. It will depend on what features of Word you use as Wordpad does not have all of Word's functions. At least the version of Wordpad included in Windows 10 will open .docx files. I don't know about the version of Wordpad included in Windows 7.

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Just checked in my Windows 7 virtual machine and Windows 7's Wordpad WILL open Word's .docx files. As in Windows 10's Wordpad there will be a closable line of text below the functions ribbon stating that some functions of the file may not work but the only file I tried that didn't load was an envelope.

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I am fairly certain that Home & Student Office 2007 will still activate. I could, of course, be wrong, but Jay is correct on checking letter O or number 0 as these can look very similar. Also watch for I and number 1.

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I am fairly certain that Home & Student Office 2007 will still activate. I could, of course, be wrong, but Jay is correct on checking letter O or number 0 as these can look very similar. Also watch for I and number 1.


Checked the Key Steve and there are no O's or 0's or I's or 1's in the key....also need to clarify that this is not MS Home and Student and that there were no versions of Home and Student installed. I removed everything before making the installation. This program is called Microsoft Works Suite 2004


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Ah! Works was discontinued ages upon ages ago. Getting to to even work on Windows 7 has been a chore for some people. I couldn't find any reference to activation, but I strongly urge you to remove Works 2004 as is truly is outdated and long unsupported.
My guess is that her Works CD came with her PC and the key requires that it be installed on that PC.

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Ah! Works was discontinued ages upon ages ago. Getting to to even work on Windows 7 has been a chore for some people. I couldn't find any reference to activation, but I strongly urge you to remove Works 2004 as is truly is outdated and long unsupported.
My guess is that her Works CD came with her PC and the key requires that it be installed on that PC.


She also gave me Microsoft Office 97.......after I removed Works 2004, I installed Office 97. Seven Years older than Works 2004 and it installed without a glitch. The format was very much the same as Word but still did not have all the useable features. More like Wordpad that Jay mentioned. So.......Im still on "The Hunt for Word"


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There is no need to "Hunt for Word". :) If you want a working and current copy then you buy it. It really is as simple as that but there are other options...

You said that you had close to a TB of data, largely Word files. Since you are used to Office 2007 I would suspect that most of these Word files are in .docx format, not .doc format. The really old versions of Word you are looking at such as Office 97 should not be able to open a .docx formatted file.

I still say that you should look at Libre Office if you don't want to buy a yearly subscription to the current Microsoft Office. There are some differences in navigation between Microsoft Office and Libre Office but, basically, they are the same. Actually Libre Office has a bit of an edge over Microsoft Office as to the variety of file formats it can deal with.

Let's throw out a visual comparison... The first image is Microsoft Word 2007 in my Windows 7 virtual machine. The second is Libre Writer in my normal Windows 10. They would look the same regardless of the Windows version. The same file is open in both. Yes they look different and Libre Writer seems to be slightly more menu driven but all the functions are there and it is free. Yes, there would be a bit of a learning curve as to finding your way around Libre Writer but how much time have you spent trying to get old versions of Word to work for you?

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