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 Post subject: Re: Long Covid.
 Post Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2024 10:42 pm 
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This kind of neatly fits in with one of my unanswered questions above, why does Covid-19 cause Long Covid in some but not in others, and how?

The only answer i can come up with to that is we're not going to find out any time soon judging by this article published 12 Aug 2024 on MedpageToday, i mean, if current tests are useless then new tests need to be developed which begs the question who is going to fund that? Big Pharma? I doubt it.

Common Lab Tests Not Useful in Diagnosing Long COVID, Study Shows
— Lab tests can rule out other conditions, but are not biomarkers for long COVID
https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/longcovid/111477

I couldn't open a link on the page that leads to another page on medpagetoday about something called a "PASC Index" that i really wanted to read, i hit a registration page and couldn't progress so i'm not really sure how freely available the link above is so if you don't mind i'll pull the bits i feel are relevant in the article, so you can at least read them if the link doesn't work for you.
NOTE: There is content between each of the quotes below so please do read the article in full if you can, and make up your own mind.


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None of 25 routine laboratory tests were clinically useful for diagnosing long COVID, despite some slight differences in results between patients with and without prior SARS-CoV-2 infection, according to an analysis of the RECOVER-Adult cohort.

Among participants with a post-acute sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC) index of 12 points or higher, there were no meaningful differences in mean laboratory values when compared with those with a PASC index of zero, reported Kristine Erlandson, MD, MSc, of the University of Colorado, Anschutz Medical Campus, in Aurora, and colleagues in the Annals of Internal Medicineopens in a new tab or window.

"While routine laboratory values should certainly be obtained to rule out other conditions that may contribute to long COVID symptoms, we don't expect these laboratory values to be abnormal, even among people with severe long COVID symptoms," Erlandson told MedPage Today.

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"We were very surprised when none of the labs distinguished between those that had prior COVID or those that had higher values on the PASC index," Erlandson said, noting that the initial purpose of the analysis was to identify laboratory values that could be included in a revised version of the PASC index.

The routine laboratory tests included those for electrolyte levels; liver, renal, and thyroid function; lipid and hematology panels; and inflammatory markers.

"The new clinical knowledge gained is that none of these 25 routine clinical laboratory tests can aid in diagnosing long COVID," wrote Annukka Antar, MD, PhD, and Paul Auwaerter, MD, both of the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine in Baltimore, in an accompanying editorialopens in a new tab or window.

These results were "somewhat surprising," they noted, given that a previous studyopens in a new tab or window identified several common abnormalities on routine lab tests after COVID-19 infection. In that study, which looked at a VA population with long COVID, the researchers found elevated hemoglobin A1C (HbA1C) levels, low hemoglobin levels, high total and low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, high triglyceride levels, and elevated platelet counts.

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"Our findings do not rule out that there might be a biomarker or combination of biomarkers that do help understand the causes, identify risk factors for long COVID, or can be used to identify ideal treatments," Erlandson said.

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An important limitation of the study was that pre-infection laboratory values were not available for most participants, so pre-and post-infection comparison of laboratory results was not possible and limited the researchers' ability to identify abnormalities resulting from infection.


Link to the original published paper:
Differentiation of Prior SARS-CoV-2 Infection and Postacute Sequelae by Standard Clinical Laboratory Measurements in the RECOVER Cohort
https://doi.org/10.7326/M24-0737


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Found this article today, links to the original paper are near the bottom of the linked page if you want to read it.

The link below is a fairly easy read and should only take a few minutes to read, i'll quote the summary for you to read so you can decide if you want to read into it more.

COVID’s Inflammation Linked to Long-Term Brain Effects
https://neurosciencenews.com/neuroinflammation-long-covid-27586/
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Summary: New research uncovers how COVID-19 may cause neuroinflammation, leading to persistent neurological symptoms even after recovery.

The study found elevated levels of pro-inflammatory cytokines and significant changes in cerebrospinal fluid among hospitalized patients, highlighting the brain’s vulnerability to the virus.

These findings suggest that neuroinflammation could play a key role in the cognitive decline seen in “long COVID,” stressing the need for ongoing monitoring and targeted therapies for survivors.


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Long COVID is a difficult therapeutic area to work in. It’s a scientifically challenging condition, but perhaps more critically, few want to fund new treatments. Private investors, Big Pharma, and government agencies alike see long COVID as too risky as long as its underlying mechanisms are so poorly understood. This dynamic has hampered the few biotechnology and pharmaceutical companies trying to develop new medicines. The lack of funding has frustrated people with long COVID, who have few options available to them. And crucially, it has snarled research and development, cutting drug development short.

R&D for long COVID is collapsing
Source: https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/drug-development/RD-long-COVID-collapsing/102/i30

The link above may or may not be available to all, if it isn't please let me know and i will copy and paste the content.

It's a long read, but not overly complicated.


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Interesting findings in this recently published paper:

Defining long COVID using a population-based SARS-CoV-2 survey in California
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X24010405
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Received 13 May 2024, Revised 2 July 2024, Accepted 8 September 2024, Available online 17 September 2024, Version of Record 17 September 2024.


I'm not entirely convinced by the papers findings especially when you look at who funded it, but that said, i'd be remiss not to share it here.
Add that for some reason the authors mention Scotland...
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Our findings are consistent with those of a population-based study in Scotland where prevalence of long COVID at least six-months after symptomatic infection varied from 6 %, when defining long COVID as not recovered from COVID-19, to 42 % when defining long COVID as partially recovered [32]. Although slightly higher, our unadjusted prevalence estimate for severe long COVID of 4.8 % is comparable to findings of a modeling study conducted by Tenforde et al. estimating activity-limiting long COVID >1 month after infection to be 1.2–1.9 % of the adult US population [5]. While broader prevalence estimates allow for the public health planning necessary to meet the needs of individuals with long COVID, it is this most severely impacted proportion of patients who are likely to require the most intensive resources. As the discussion around a case definition for long COVID continues, especially in the absence of an objective laboratory indicator, it is increasingly important to pilot and validate survey questions to assess long COVID [11,33].

To the best of my knowledge there haven't been any substantial study results out of Scotland for several years now?

That said, it is an interesting read even if you disagree with the basis of it.

As always, read and make up your own mind.


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While i'm pretty sure i shared this video before, i want to share it again.

While not directly connected to Long Covid, it was something i stumbled across when i was in a very dark place while recovering from Long Covid and it gave me a message of hope to not give up fighting.

For the record, the link below on YouTube is date stamped as Aug 2023 but my recollection of first seeing it was much earlier.... regardless, when i was barely clinging onto hope that life was worth living, this video amongst others, reminded me that there is beauty in the world and i shouldn't give up fighting.

If i remember correctly it was just prior to my therapy for PTSD as a result of Long Covid, the timeleine isn't that important to me, what i remember is the first time i saw it, it had me in floods of tears because i was borderline clinging onto life and this reminded me that no matter how bad things get, life goes on and no matter how dark things seem in the moment, it will get better because life is precious and full of beauty.

If i did share this video before it's almost certain i didn't give a French to English transaltion for the lyrics, side by side French with an English translation can be found about half way down the page here:
https://wiwibloggs.com/2021/01/30/voila-lyrics-english-barbara-pravi/261065/

The video with a near 2 minute introduction... i'd encourage you to watch the introduction for context:

15 Year Old Emma Kok Sings Voilà – André Rieu, Maastricht 2023 (official video)
https://youtu.be/KdIhq1tb8Co?si=J8AYvkhzGKcJOaHo

I doubt Emma and Andre will ever know how much of an impact they had on a Scotsman in a small corner of the world, but for me it was profound and literally saved my life.

To this day i still scream 'Here i am!'.


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I think this just broke me so i'd better stop...

16 Year Old Emma Kok sings Dancing On The Stars – André Rieu, Maastricht 2024 (official video)
https://youtu.be/Ll1uR_HUOP8?si=JIJdIOFpFaUKhBKa


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Whilst i didn't anticipate this it does make sense and fits well with what my experience was.

The easy read:

Ultra-powered MRI scans show damage to brain’s ‘control center’ is behind long-lasting Covid-19 symptoms
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1060117

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Damage to the brainstem – the brain’s ‘control centre’ – is behind long-lasting physical and psychiatric effects of severe Covid-19 infection, a study suggests.

Using ultra-high-resolution scanners that can see the living brain in fine detail, researchers from the Universities of Cambridge and Oxford were able to observe the damaging effects Covid-19 can have on the brain.

The study team scanned the brains of 30 people who had been admitted to hospital with severe Covid-19 early in the pandemic, before vaccines were available. The researchers found that Covid-19 infection damages the region of the brainstem associated with breathlessness, fatigue and anxiety.

The powerful MRI scanners used for the study, known as 7-Tesla or 7T scanners, can measure inflammation in the brain. Their results, published in the journal Brain, will help scientists and clinicians understand the long-term effects of Covid-19 on the brain and the rest of the body. Although the study was started before the long-term effects of Covid was recognised, it will help to better understand this condition.

The brainstem, which connects the brain to the spinal cord, is the control centre for many basic life functions and reflexes. Clusters of nerve cells in the brainstem, known as nuclei, are responsible for regulating and processing essential bodily functions such as breathing, heart rate, pain and blood pressure.

“Things happening in and around the brainstem are vital for quality of life, but it had been impossible to scan the inflammation of the brainstem nuclei in living people, because of their tiny size and difficult position.” said first author Dr Catarina Rua, from the Department of Clinical Neurosciences. “Usually, scientists only get a good look at the brainstem during post-mortem examinations.”

“The brainstem is the critical junction box between our conscious selves and what is happening in our bodies,” said Professor James Rowe, also from the Department of Clinical Neurosciences, who co-led the research. “The ability to see and understand how the brainstem changes in response to Covid-19 will help explain and treat the long term effects more effectively.”

In the early days of the Covid-19 pandemic, before effective vaccines were available, post-mortem studies of patients who had died from severe Covid-19 infections showed changes in their brainstems, including inflammation. Many of these changes were thought to result from a post-infection immune response, rather than direct virus invasion of the brain... continues


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Severe Covid infections can inflame brain’s ‘control centre’, research says
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/08/severe-covid-infections-can-inflame-brains-control-centre-research-says

What you need to know as study reveals what long Covid does to your brain
Long Covid can cause extreme tiredness, shortness of breath, brain fog, dizziness, heart palpitations and muscle aches
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/what-are-the-symptoms-of-long-covid-b2625764.html

The original published article:


Quantitative susceptibility mapping at 7 T in COVID-19: brainstem effects and outcome associations
https://academic.oup.com/brain/advance-article/doi/10.1093/brain/awae215/7811070

Fwiw, my thoughts on all the above:

I am 100% convinced i suffered from some form of brain damage but because i have no medical knowledge at all other than lived experience and self teaching, to say if that's what happened to me, or not, i don't know.
I've been on a long journey of fighting against the established understanding of how a virus works for 4 years now.
I am also 100% convinced that my ongoing sleep pattern issues (4 years and counting to date) are due to damage to my pineal gland.

The sad fact is that until papers like the one above continue to be published (i hope there are more to come) i can't get anyone in the medical profession to listen to me and take my convictions seriously... something that doesn't surprise me, from day one of my infection the medical profession have been playing catchup with everything i've gone through, so why should things be different now.

Another thing that i have a huge issue with is with people in medical circles still claiming that the vaccines are effective, the mRNA vaccines are NOT effective, if they were then you wouldn't need a booster every <enter number of weeks>.
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In the early days of the Covid-19 pandemic, before effective vaccines were available, post-mortem studies of patients who had died from severe Covid-19 infections showed changes in their brainstems, including inflammation. Many of these changes were thought to result from a post-infection immune response, rather than direct virus invasion of the brain.
Source: https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1060117

I know some will think i'm now entering the world of fantasy, but take 11 minutes out and watch this video and then do some homework... i'm open to being proven wrong:

Important letter to PM <-- of Australia.
https://youtu.be/EDv1b4pg9RE?si=3OzCFsrZSgkg1oMW


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Fascinating stuff. I hope that these studies continue in earnest and get the attention deserved.

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This video is both fascinating and alarming.

In a nutshell, Professor Robert Clancy (Australia) is sitting down with Dr John Campbell (UK) and comparing what happened after the 1918/19 Inluenza pandemic in Australia, with what's happening in Australia following the SARS-Cov-2 pandemic.

Topics touched on include the development of a self sufficient supply of vaccines, Long Covid (both natural and vaccine induced), antivirals (e.g. Ivermectin), Covid vaccine effectiveness, media reporting... and much much more.

Post covid era
https://youtu.be/Jj-1McRiuz0?si=H9y7x5KrBE_DomkB


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Again, this may be slightly off-topic for this thread but i don't know what else to do with this information so i'm going to share it here in the hope it reaches a wider audience... that and, i do think there may be scope for it to be relevant to Long Covid as well even though Long Covid isn't explicitly mentioned.

So many topics are touched on that i don't even know where to begin to give a synopsis for it myself, instead i'll just post the link and let the interview speak for itself, be warned the video is circa 70 minutes long so if you don't like long videos be prepared to view it in sections, or don't view it at all.

That said, the synopsis for the video is as follows... i feel it covers much more but that's maybe just me...

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World class discussion for the serious viewer. Professor Dalgleish informs us about several important topics: Problems encountered on his tour of Australia. Lessons learned from his research into cancer vaccines. The potential for ivermectin aid in cancer treatment. Vitamin D is essential in cancer treatment. Obvious mistakes in production of Covid vaccines. Evidence from virology for a lab leak of the covid virus. The existence of a simple bacterial preparation to treat sever cancers and infections which has been refused regulator approval.

Professor Angus Dalgleish, full interview
https://youtu.be/c0nx6aBpUj4?si=SGTpTpzYO6NPw9Ha


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I was just sitting reflecting on what i've been through since 2020, not in any way thinking negatively, more like i was just looking back and reflecting what had actually happened to me and what has changed with our understanding of Long Covid.

My first thought was not much given how many ignorant clinicians there still are on this subject, by ignorant i don't mean arrogant, i mean those that are still unable or unwilling to open their minds to the fact that Long Covid is real and this still happens to people... i'm sure they know it's a real condition but I can't get my head around why they're not shouting from the rooftops about it.

Prior to posting i felt it only right to see what the latest was being said online on the subject (obviously i can't search the whole internet), this jumped out at me, posted 30th Oct in The Guardian in the UK:

Britain has closed its eyes to long Covid – which means it will ravage even more lives and livelihoods
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/30/britain-long-covid-lives-us-boosters

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Trust me, no one, even in public health or medicine, wants to talk or think about Covid-19. The trauma of those pandemic years is burnt into our minds. But, whether we want to deal with it or not, Covid-19 is still affecting all of us, and circulating at fairly high levels in Britain this month. While community surveys are no longer conducted by the Office for National Statistics to estimate overall cases, hospital data from England indicates that the weekly hospital admission rate for Covid-19 is at 4.64 for every 100,000 people, with the north-east region at 8.91.

These figures just cover people who are admitted to hospital and don’t reflect those suffering at home or attending GP clinics. While we were mainly fixated on death rates during the pandemic, the longer legacy concerns people who had and cleared the infection, but are still suffering – what is usually referred to as long Covid.

This chronic condition still has many questions hanging over it. We are still learning about its overall prevalence in the population (estimated at 5.5% of those infected in the UK in one study, and 15% in another study from the US), and there is continuing research on the underlying biology and immunology behind symptoms, including attempts to identify markers for diagnosis, as well as work towards promising treatments. Sufferers have had to fight first to have their condition recognised as “real” (instead of a figment of their imagination or a sign of mental weakness), and second for medical services to provide support and care.
<continues>....

Just so we are clear if you read the article in full above, while i was initially an advocate of the mRNA vaccines and i benefited greatly from my first one, i am by no means an advocate of them now and indeed will never have another mRNA shot again given what i now know about mRNA technology and the production process.

Back to the reason for this post, not much has changed and that's hugely disappointing.


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This post doesn't really fit into the "Long Covid" category but it is hugely important... i'm now wondering if i should open a thread labelled "Covid-19 - A retrospective veiw"?... i'll leave that as an open question.

As it's Remembrance Sunday and this video released by Dr John Campbell today touches on many aspects of Covid, laterally the war graves in France, i feel it appropriate to share here.

Not the most appropriate of video titles but stick with it and make up your own mind:

Covid era deaths, Dr. Clare Craig
https://youtu.be/emmP_wx_72s?si=iJYUFCYa5sUvbXUw


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I thought this was an interesting read but before i post the 'easy' reads i'll post the source, why would i do that for this post is a good question?... it's mostly because i still don't believe the hype that AI is going to change as much as people believe it will (G.I.G.O. springs to mind but more on that at the end), that said if it helps identify people suffering from Long Covid then it will at least have done some good for humanity.

For the reasons above on this occasion starting with the source i feel is the better option so you can read the latter articles without having to search for the source if you have any doubts yourself about the validity of how it's being reported.

Precision Phenotyping for Curating Research Cohorts of Patients with Post-Acute Sequelae of COVID-19 (PASC) as a Diagnosis of Exclusion:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.04.13.24305771v2

Full paper in pdf format, while available in the link above it can also be found directly by clicking this link:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.04.13.24305771v2.full.pdf

Moving onto how other medical websites are reporting it, far easrier reads:

[b]AI Precision Phenotyping Tool Identifies Long COVID:[/b]
https://www.psychologytoday.com/za/blog/the-future-brain/202411/ai-precision-phenotyping-tool-identifies-long-covid
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Patients with long COVID may have one or more symptoms such as cough, persistent fatigue, problems with taste or smell, sleep disturbance, concentration issues, memory changes, recurring headaches, shortness of breath, lightheadedness, bloating constipation, diarrhea, and more, as well as one or more diagnosable conditions such as anxiety, mood disorders, cognitive impairment, migraine, blood clots, stroke, cardiovascular disease, heart arrhythmia, fibromyalgia, diabetes, autoimmune disorders, and many more conditions, according to The New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM). Highlighted for emphasis by Doddie.

Personalized medicine, or precision medicine, considers a patient’s individual genetic, environmental, and lifestyle variability for the prevention and treatment of diseases. It is the exact opposite of the one-size-fits-all approach. A person’s observable traits, called phenotypes, are determined by a combination of their genetic makeup (genotype) and environmental factors. For example, weight is an observable trait or phenotype that may be impacted by diet, exercise, and other factors.

One of the aims of studying phenotyping for precision medicine is to understand the phenotypic abnormalities associated with a particular disease in order for clinicians to provide better diagnosis and treatment for the individual patient. Additionally, having knowledge of a disease’s full range of associated phenotypic abnormalities may help with early intervention and treatment for better outcomes.
As an aside, i really like the first paragraph that describes some of the symptoms of Long Covid, it is far more accurate than any of the official government narratives i've ever seen from anywhere in the world about Long Covid symptoms to look out for if you suspect you may be suffering from the condition... something that's long overdue happening!

AI Tool Reveals Long COVID May Affect 23% of People:
https://neurosciencenews.com/ai-long-covid-28003/

My personal take from the links above is that i'm shocked it could be as high as 23%, my current understanding is that it was circa anywhere between 10 & 20% but likely on the lower end of that scale since the onset of the Omicron variant.

On the flip side i'm acutely aware that algorithms are what got us into this whole flawed mess of how to deal with the pandemic in the first place, meaning if the algorithms are getting garbage in they'll give garbage out so for me to work out how accurate the AI actually is in the paper above is well above my pay grade, i'm hightly scecptical about the findings but i can't rule it out either, make up your own mind.


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Can you die from long COVID? The answer is not so simple
November 11, 2024
https://www.dailyexcelsior.com/can-you-die-from-long-covid-the-answer-is-not-so-simple/


This isn't something i've given much attention too since the early days of my Long Covid experience but as i just found this article it sparked an interest that i want to resurrect... back in the dark days i did often wonder if Long Covid could kill me... sadly not enough was known enough about Long Covid at that time for me to make an informed decision so i lived in fear.

Fast forward to today and this from Australia, it needs to be remembered that Australia was Covid free at the time as the rest of the planet was trying to deal with the disease...

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MELBOURNE, Nov 11: Nearly five years into the pandemic, COVID is feeling less central to our daily lives.
But the virus, SARS-CoV-2, is still around, and for many people the effects of an infection can be long-lasting. When symptoms persist for more than three months after the initial COVID infection, this is generally referred to as long COVID.
In September, Grammy-winning Brazilian musician Sérgio Mendes died aged 83 after reportedly having long COVID.
Australian data show 196 deaths were due to the long-term effects of COVID from the beginning of the pandemic up to the end of July 2023.
In the United States, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 3,544 long-COVID-related deaths from the start of the pandemic up to the end of June 2022.
The symptoms of long COVID – such as fatigue, shortness of breath and “brain fog” – can be debilitating. But can you die from long COVID? The answer is not so simple.

How could long COVID lead to death?

There’s still a lot we don’t understand about what causes long COVID. A popular theory is that “zombie” virus fragments may linger in the body and cause inflammation even after the virus has gone, resulting in long-term health problems. Recent research suggests a reservoir of SARS-CoV-2 proteins in the blood might explain why some people experience ongoing symptoms.
We know a serious COVID infection can damage multiple organs. For example, severe COVID can lead to permanent lung dysfunction, persistent heart inflammation, neurological damage and long-term kidney disease.
These issues can in some cases lead to death, either immediately or months or years down the track. But is death beyond the acute phase of infection from one of these causes the direct result of COVID, long COVID, or something else? Whether long COVID can directly cause death continues to be a topic of debate.
Of the 3,544 deaths related to long COVID in the US up to June 2022, the most commonly recorded underlying cause was COVID itself (67.5%). This could mean they died as a result of one of the long-term effects of a COVID infection, such as those mentioned above.
COVID infection was followed by heart disease (8.6%), cancer (2.9%), Alzheimer’s disease (2.7%), lung disease (2.5%), diabetes (2%) and stroke (1.8%). Adults aged 75–84 had the highest rate of death related to long COVID (28.8%).
These findings suggest many of these people died “with” long COVID, rather than from the condition. In other words, long COVID may not be a direct driver of death, but rather a contributor, likely exacerbating existing conditions.

‘Cause of death’ is difficult to define

Long COVID is a relatively recent phenomenon, so mortality data for people with this condition are limited.
However, we can draw some insights from the experiences of people with post-viral conditions that have been studied for longer, such as myalgic encephalomyelitis or chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS).
Like long COVID, ME/CFS is a complex condition which can have significant and varied effects on a person’s physical fitness, nutritional status, social engagement, mental health and quality of life.
Some research indicates people with ME/CFS are at increased risk of dying from causes including heart conditions, infections and suicide, that may be triggered or compounded by the debilitating nature of the syndrome.

So what is the emerging data on long COVID telling us about the potential increased risk of death?

Research from 2023 has suggested adults in the US with long COVID were at greater risk of developing heart disease, stroke, lung disease and asthma.
Research has also found long COVID is associated with a higher risk of suicidal ideation (thinking about or planning suicide). This may reflect common symptoms and consequences of long COVID such as sleep problems, fatigue, chronic pain and emotional distress.
But long COVID is more likely to occur in people who have existing health conditions. This makes it challenging to accurately determine how much long COVID contributes to a person’s death.
Research has long revealed reliability issues in cause-of-death reporting, particularly for people with chronic illness.

So what can we conclude?

Ultimately, long COVID is a chronic condition that can significantly affect quality of life, mental wellbeing and overall health.
While long COVID is not usually immediately or directly life-threatening, it’s possible it could exacerbate existing conditions, and play a role in a person’s death in this way.
Importantly, many people with long COVID around the world lack access to appropriate support. We need to develop models of care for the optimal management of people with long COVID with a focus on multidisciplinary care


In other words, not much has changed for long term prognosis, but at least it's seemingly not getting any worse.

As always, make up your own mind.


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Thanks for posting both of these, Doddie.

I'm with you on AI skepticism. Garbage in, garbage out -- machine learning cannot make observational decisions. AI can only deal with data. Will that still be helpful? I believe that the answer is yes, but with a caveat that it will still take humans and case studies to interpret the results.

Interesting stats about death from Long COVID. One of the main reasons I've had for continuing to be ever vigilant and avoid infection is that the damage this virus can cause does have lasting impact that surely could cause a drop in one's life expectancy. As the article points out, that is a greater concern for older individuals who are already winding down in life and health overall without the effects of COVID.

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This was included in the clip i shared here on 14th Oct but as it was a relatively short part of that 28 minute video it is easily overlooked for it's importance, i'd like to highlight it here because as things stand it's highly unlikely you'll ever see the content reported by mainstream media.

Dr Campbell has today released a 7 minute clip from that video with Prof Clancy, a clip that i feel more need to be aware of re the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines.

I won't comment on the content, i'll let it speak for itself:

Vaccine injury doctor
https://youtu.be/lqjYmu93sFg?si=jUMmK2Y-2lLoTcaL


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I just watched this video, very interesting... skip over the self promotion, i don't mind that as he is a practicing Doctor and needs to earn a living and it's not too intrusive.
I must add that my Long Covid was NOT vaccine induced, it was the Wuhan variant of the virus that caused Long Covid for me.

IS Covid Vaccine Linked to Brain Encephalitis?
https://www.youtube.com/live/XZjatbm5EMc?si=vknXqJeBlQ4xu4Gf

That said, while not specifically about the lethargica version it has taken me almost full circle back to the beginning of something i used to bang on about whenever i got the chance (and subsequently forgot about)... namely, could Long Covid be a form of encephalitis lethargica?

Encephalitis lethargica: 100 years after the epidemic
https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/140/8/2246/3970828

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Encephalitis lethargica is a neurological syndrome that spread across Europe and then the world beginning in the winter of 1916–17, and continuing into the 1930s. Although the exact number of people afflicted with encephalitis lethargica during the epidemic period is unknown, it is estimated to be more than one million worldwide (Ravenholt and Foege, 1982). Those who survived were sometimes left with lingering and permanent neurological sequelae that rendered them nearly akinetic. Although 100 years have elapsed since the beginning of the epidemic period, many questions remain about this mysterious illness: What causes it? How is it transmitted? Could an epidemic happen again?

This paragraph seems to me to be more relevant than ever given my ongoing sleep issues...

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The hyperkinetic form presented with an initial manic phase during which the patient experienced chorea, vocalizations, myoclonic twitches, and myorhythmia of the ocular and masticatory muscles. (Oculomasticatory myorhythmia is also indicative of Whipple’s disease, but it is not known whether the movement disorder seen in the hyperkinetic form of encephalitis lethargica is the same or different from that seen in Whipple’s disease). The manic phase was followed by generalized restlessness, weakness, and fatigue that persisted for days. During this hypomanic phase, patients experienced neuralgic pain in the face and limbs, visual and tactile hallucinations, and day-night sleep cycle reversal Edited for emphasis

I had all sorts of involuntary twitches and such in the early days but they were the lesser of my issues so didn't really focus on them, with hindsight i certainly had them.... can't say i had facial pain but i certainly suffered from hallucinations that scared me witless at times!
As for the sleep reversal, do i need say anymore on that?!

Anyway, i'm not going to relive everything again, i just feel that this isn't the first time humanity has gone through this and what we already know shouldn't be getting overlooked... I spoke to 2 doctors about encephalitis lethargica in 2020/21 and neither of them had heard about it.

Make of that what you will.


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Very interesting -- considering that the cause of the condition from 100 years ago was never identified, and it appears to correspond with the so-called Spanish Flu pandemic, it sure could be related...

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@Steve, i read an article or watched a video(?) a couple years ago that highlighted strange and never seen before conditions following many pandemics/plagues over the centuries and it stuck in my mind.... annoyingly i didn't bookmark it and so far i've not been able to find it again, i'll keep looking and if/when i find it i'll share it here.

Late edit prior to posting: Actually, i was just about to submit this post and now i'm thinking i might have read about the correlation between pandemics and other historical unexplained post-viral syndroms in the Oliver Sacks book "Awakenings", where he details his experience of Encephalitis Lethargica post the Spanish Flu as a hospital doctor, published in 1973, i know i bought the book and read it trying to find out what was was happening to me because i just couldn't ignore the possbile link of Long Covid being a possible post-viral syndrom after watching the Robin Williams/Robert Di Niro film, as i was riddled with brain fog at the time i don't remember much of the book so it's possible that's why it sticks in my mind... now where did i put that book?

Moving on to something new, i just found the following of which i'm going to take the unusual step (for me in this Forum) and post it word for word...
It contains a lot of hyperlinks that i won't include, if anyone wants to read them then look at the original source below and you'll find them.

The only caveats that i'd add is i don't agree that keeping 'up to date' with COVID booster doses is necessarily a good way to prevent Long Covid given it has been shown that the mRNA vaccines can induce Long Covid in people who have never been infected with SARS-Cov-2... as for testing to get treament when no effective treatment exists, i'm not sure i understand how that is supposed to work other than it makes money for the company selling the test kits?

Note also, where there are bullet points in the original artice i'm having to manually input them into this post but rest assured the content is as the original article.

Anyway, i digress:

Mysterious Driving Factor Behind Long COVID May Have Been Identified
https://www.sciencealert.com/mysterious-driving-factor-behind-long-covid-may-have-been-identified

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By Brendan Crabb, The Conversation


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Around 5–10% of people with COVID infections go on to experience long COVID, with symptoms lasting three months or more.

Researchers have proposed several biological mechanisms to explain long COVID. However, in a perspective article published in the latest Medical Journal of Australia, we argue that much, if not all, long COVID appears to be driven by the virus itself persisting in the body.

Since relatively early in the pandemic, there has been a recognition that in some people, SARS-CoV-2 – or at least remnants of the virus – could stay in various tissues and organs for extended periods. This theory is known as "viral persistence".

While the long-term presence of residual viral fragments in some people's bodies is now well established, what remains less certain is whether live virus itself, not just old bits of virus, is lingering – and if so, whether this is what causes long COVID.

This distinction is crucial because live virus can be targeted by specific antiviral approaches in ways that "dead" viral fragments cannot.

Viral persistence has two significant implications:

1. when it occurs in some highly immunocompromised people, it is thought to be the source of new and substantially different-looking variants, such as JN.1

2. it has the potential to continue to cause symptoms in many people in the wider population long beyond the acute illness. In other words, long COVID could be caused by a long infection.

What does the research say?

While there remains no single study that confirms that persistent virus is the cause of long COVID, collectively several recent key papers make a compelling case.

In February, a study in Nature found a high number of people with mild COVID symptoms had extended periods of shedding the genetic material of the virus, so-called viral RNA, from their respiratory tract.

Those with persistent shedding of this viral RNA – which almost certainly represents the presence of live virus – were at higher risk of long COVID.

Other key papers detected replicating viral RNA and proteins in blood fluid of patients years after their initial infection, a sign that the virus is likely replicating for long periods in some hidden reservoirs in the body, perhaps including blood cells.

Another study detected viral RNA in ten different tissue sites and blood samples 1–4 months after acute infection. This study found the risk of long COVID (measured four months following infection) was higher in those with persistently positive viral RNA.

The same study also gave clues about where in the body the persisting virus resides. The gastrointestinal tract is one site of considerable interest as a long-term viral hideout.

Earlier this week, further evidence of persistent virus increasing likelihood of long COVID has been published as part of the RECOVER initiative, a collaborative research project that aims to address the impacts of long COVID.

However, formal proof that virus capable of replicating can last for years in the body remains elusive. This is because isolating the live virus from reservoirs inside the body where the virus "hides" is technically challenging.

In its absence, we and other scientists argue the cumulative evidence is now sufficiently compelling to galvanise action.

What needs to happen next?

The obvious response to this is to fast-track trials of known antivirals for prevention and cure of long COVID.

This should include more left-field therapies such as the diabetes drug metformin. This has possible dual benefits in the context of long COVID:

* its antiviral properties, which have demonstrated surprising efficacy against long COVID

* as a potential therapeutic in treating impairments related to fatigue.

However, another major thrust should be the development of new drugs and the establishment of clinical trial platforms for rapid testing.

Science has uncovered exciting therapeutic options. But translating these into forms usable in the clinic is a large hurdle that requires support and investment from governments.

Demystify and preventing long COVID

The notion of "long infection" as a contributor or even the driver of long COVID is a powerful message. It could help demystify the condition in the eyes of the wider community and increase awareness among the general public as well as medical professionals.

It should help raise awareness in the community of the importance of reducing rates of re-infection. It is not just your first infection, but each subsequent COVID infection carries a risk of long COVID.

Long COVID is common and isn't restricted to those at high risk of severe acute disease but affects all age groups. In one study, the highest impact was in those aged 30 to 49 years.

So, for now, we all need to reduce our exposure to the virus with the tools available, a combination of:

* clean indoor air approaches. In its simplest form, this means being conscious of the importance of well-ventilated indoor spaces, opening the windows and improving airflow as COVID spreads through air. More sophisticated ways of ensuring indoor air is safe involve monitoring quality and filtering air in spaces that cannot be easily naturally ventilated

* using high-quality masks (that are well-fitting and don't let air in easily, such as N95-type masks) in settings where you don't have confidence of the quality of the indoor air and/or that are crowded

* testing, so you know when you're positive. Then, if you're eligible, you can get treatment. And you can be vigilant about protecting those around you with masks, staying at home where possible, and ventilating spaces

* staying up to date with COVID booster doses. Vaccines reduce long COVID and other post-COVID complications.

Hopefully one day there will be better treatments and even a cure for long COVID.

But in the meantime, increased awareness of the biomedical basis of long COVID should prompt clinicians to take patients more seriously as they attempt to access the treatments and services that already exist.

Brendan Crabb, Director and CEO, Burnet Institute; Gabriela Khoury, Theme Leader, Antiviral Immunity, Burnet Institute, and Michelle Scoullar, Senior Research Fellow, Burnet Institute

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.


To close this post i'd like to cherry pick one thing in the quote above and comment on it:

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The same study also gave clues about where in the body the persisting virus resides. The gastrointestinal tract is one site of considerable interest as a long-term viral hideout.


Aside from the brain fog i suffered from, by far the most uncomfortable symptom i suffered from was gastrointestinal... if my recent experience is anything to go by with what i suspect was a Common Cold, my GI issues are still not fully resolved and may in fact be the driving force for my ongoing sleep issues.

All anecdotal of course but here's what i do know... a few weeks ago when i thought my sleep pattern was finally reverting back to normal, i caught what i suspect was a Common Cold and it completely floored me until i resumed a probiotic formula that was specifically designed to try and help people with Long Covid.

Since i resumed taking those probiotics, within two days my sleep pattern returned to normal again and remains so, albeit i am once again being hit with waves of fatigue that i haven't experienced for about 2 years now... the good news is the fatigue is no longer random, it's during the evening which at least allows me to see daylight and function almost normally during the day.

Placebo effect or gut microbiome, i really don't know, one day at a time and go with what works on that day has become my mantra because until science catches up all i have to go on is what i learn and experience for myself.


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I've been reading more and more about gut microbiome being so very related to overall health and for many specific concerns, so it does not surprise me that you experienced relief once you resumed the probiotic.
And thanks for sharing the article.

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