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Peter2150
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Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:07 pm |
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Okay some final thoughts as I review the thread.
@Steve. I remember when I installed there was a screen that was about continuing with the online experience. It was about setting up the account. I said no and passed it, but seems it already did. Maybe because of the Preview factor. Anyway I solved that problem. All MS office 2013 exe's save Outlook are blocked from internet access by my firewall. Works.
@Manny. Your comment that I just should trust they've set it up properly, was one I couldn't go along with, although had nothing to do with MS. When I signed up with Rackspace, I called them and had a long talk with them about this. Manny after reading your comment, I when and read the Terms of Service. Rackspace made a clear statement. They guaranteed the safety and privacy of your data with one condition. You must use their software encryption to upload the data. Also the person I talked to stated unequivocally that he couldn't access my data, and if it somehow was stolen, the thief couldn't read it either. Good password the key.
Then I read the Microsoft terms and conditions. They are spread out, and not nearly as clear. It has been publicized that the do scan at least jpg's for pornography. So where does that leave me. Would I use OneDrive.
The answer is yes, providing I could encrypt the data I uploaded. But uploading and saving data from apps directly nope. I am sure they have a policy that employee's shouldn't look at the data, but would I believe they never do.....
Manny you also commented protecting systems gets harder as they get bigger. I thing what gets harder is corporate people don't want to bother. One app BlueRidge Appguard, would probably stop most of the hacks. Look at Sony. Total stupidity. Sure they got hacked and stuff got deleted, but they didn't have backups and had to go to clients to get copies of contracts. That is pure dumb.
Anyway to some it up, I am really liking Win 10. As I type I am in the VM that has Win10 installed.
Pete
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Manny Carvalho
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:25 am |
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It's my understanding that you can encrypt data to Onedrive and through the apps. I'm not pushing it you understand Pete as I don't fully recognize your needs. But here's what they said last October: "Advanced encryption at rest with per-file encryption Last spring we announced our intent to include even more file encryption capabilities in our SharePoint and OneDrive for Business. Today we are excited to announce that we have rolled out advanced encryption at rest for SharePoint Online and OneDrive for Business called per-file encryption. Per-file encryption technology encrypts every individual file stored in SharePoint Online and OneDrive for Business with its own unique key, and also encrypts each subsequent update to the file with an additional unique key. This granular level of encryption vastly reduces the risk of unauthorized access to the content." http://blogs.office.com/2014/10/28/offi ... ompliance/And as to large companies - I don't think its that they don't want to bother. It's more that there are competing interests and they can't have everything be top priority until it has to be. I bet SONY learned.
_________________ Best regards, Manny Carvalho MS-MVP since 2002
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Peter2150
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:41 am |
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Hi Manny
Very interesting and on the surface the 1tb account, is 6.99 a month, and includes Office 365. On the surface a good deal. But I just read a recent review by a business owner who has used the whole thing for a year.
Major issue was the fact the the encryption is only for OneDrive for Business, which is a different account then regular OneDrive, and the desktop apps only wanted to save to regular Onedrive. Big Duh. Steve do you have anything on this.
Pete
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MacDuffie
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:42 am |
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Actually they rolled out unlimited storage if you want it. I pay $100/year for Home version, but I would get the same deal for Office Personal, which is $70/year. I put my entire music and photo collection up there as a backup. Some documents, technical, ebooks and so forth. I'm nowhere close to using 1 TB yet though.
_________________ Patty MacDuffie Computer Haven Administrator
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Peter2150
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:10 pm |
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Yeah, it's tough to use all that. Patty, I presume you don't use any encryption.
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sboots
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:17 pm |
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OneDrive Consumer and OneDrive Business are strangely disparate products currently. Features are similar, but they are different.
I have the Office Home subscription, but I also have an Office 365 account for email and a domain. The latter gives me OneDrive for Business. I have no problems saving locally, to the Business location or to my regular OneDrive. My default save location is the local Documents folder and I've chosen to customize what gets synchronized to OneDrive (personal) and that doesn't include the local User folders -- Documents, Pictures, Music, etc.
-steve
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Peter2150
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 5:43 pm |
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Hi Steve
Thanks. Is it easy to set up encryption for the Business app?
Pete
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MacDuffie
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:29 pm |
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Peter2150 wrote: Yeah, it's tough to use all that. Patty, I presume you don't use any encryption. No need. If anyone broke into my OneDrive, they would simply discover my astounding good taste in music, and how cute my cats are!
_________________ Patty MacDuffie Computer Haven Administrator
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Peter2150
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:04 am |
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jaylach
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:28 am |
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MacDuffie wrote: Peter2150 wrote: Yeah, it's tough to use all that. Patty, I presume you don't use any encryption. No need. If anyone broke into my OneDrive, they would simply discover my astounding good taste in music, and how cute my cats are! Mayhaps I'll use One Drive for my media backup... I could take up a little of their space at about 2.5TB. Actually that isn't all that funny. I NEED to get another 4TB drive to backup my media.
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sboots
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:49 am |
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Peter2150 wrote: Hi Steve
Thanks. Is it easy to set up encryption for the Business app?
Pete I had never looked into it. Poking around I can't find any options that are user configurable, so the answer would have to be no. -steve
_________________ stephen boots Microsoft MVP 2004 - 2020 "Life's always an adventure with computers!"
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Peter2150
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:06 am |
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Thanks Steve. Not an encouraging answer. I wonder if many businesses have upgraded to Office 2013.
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Manny Carvalho
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:57 am |
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Surprising about the encryption setup. I would have thought this should be easy. I wonder if it happens automatically and so the user need do nothing. Like Patty I don't care if anybody breaks into my Onedrive so I have no personal experience setting up encryption or have a business account. It's just odd that it's not obvious, but ...
_________________ Best regards, Manny Carvalho MS-MVP since 2002
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Acadia
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:11 pm |
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Manny Carvalho wrote: Surprising about the encryption setup .... It's just odd that it's not obvious, but ... But then again this is Microsoft that we are talking about, the company that hid, in my opinion, the most important part of an Operating System, the recovery program. A darn good one too, slow as a pregnant snail going thru honey, but darn reliable. Acadia
_________________ The blazing evidence of immortality is our dissatisfaction with any other solution. -- Emerson
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Peter2150
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 10:52 am |
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Have the latest build(9926) on board. I've yet to figure out exactly how to benefit from Cortana. Windows Media player is gone, replace by alternative apps. Not sure if at this point they are better.
Also seems Windows update has gone missing.
Big revamp of the start menu.
Pete
Found them both by using search. Really strange that the only place you can find Windows Update is in search.
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jaylach
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 7:55 pm |
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Thanks for the notice on the new build Pete, I'll have to re-boot to 10 and update after I'm done here.
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jaylach
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:01 pm |
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Instead of my going back to my Win experience thread let's just keep it all here. I am now on build 9926 with no issues except that it took a LOT longer than I expected. I don't see where Win Updates has gone anywhere as it is still right there in the Start Menu under Settings. Click Settings and it is there under 'Update and Recovery' as it was in the previous build. Now I need to go and un-install Windows Essentials Media Codec Pack along with Media Player Classic and then install both to see if I can now go back to my favorite media player. MPC crashed a LOT on the previous build.
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jaylach
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 11:42 pm |
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Media Player Classic Home Cinema still seems to have issues. We will see but MPC-HC working could be the deciding factor as to if I stay with 10 on my media system or go back to a 7 system image. The VLC player still seems to work fine but MPC-HC is my preferred player. Since this is a media system my preferred player is a major factor. We shall see what we shall see.
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Doddie
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 12:42 pm |
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Peter2150
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:06 pm |
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Hi Doddie
Non of the software makes much mention of Win 10 compatibility. In fact many like Emsisoft state specifically they don't support it, but fact is much of it runs. I have an old version of Nuances PDF Convert Pro. Bought it back in the XP days. I does however run on both Win 7 and win 10. Only way to know at this point is try it.
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Peter2150
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 3:13 pm |
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I did see something interesting with 10. I have both Macrium and AX64 TM installed and have them both installed in the Boot Manager.
Normally on Win 7 first thing comes up on boot is the boot manager. It defaults to windows, so moves on and then I get the standard Win 7 startup. The boot manager is a black background with white text.
On the first build of 10 that I installed (4851) it was the same as win 7
Then on 9926 it changed. First the windows 10 logo, then the boot manager, which was now a blue background, with big darker buttons, one for each boot option. Of course the Window 10 TP button just as always just continued the boot up. Next I tried the macrium button. Sure enough boot into the Macrium RE. Lastly I tried the AX64 TM button. Blat, I had that wonder black screen with white text which basically said sorry no boot.
I booted back into windows 10, opened TM and found the boot menu item wasn't installed. So I installed it, and it installed successfully. Rebooted. The boot menu was now totally back to the old style. No problem, but interesting.
I suspect for a while, each new build will be an adventure.
Pete
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Doddie
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:39 pm |
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Peter2150 wrote: I suspect for a while, each new build will be an adventure. Par for the course for Windows beta releases, as is the time it takes software developers to release compatible versions of their software for new versions of windows.
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Peter2150
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 6:04 pm |
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Doddie wrote: Peter2150 wrote: I suspect for a while, each new build will be an adventure. Par for the course for Windows beta releases, as is the time it takes software developers to release compatible versions of their software for new versions of windows. Many are going to wait which makes sense. I haven't tried the one I use. Still playing with what is there.
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Peter2150
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:51 pm |
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Well I installed another biggie in the Win 10 VM. Namely Quickbooks 2014 Pro. Install went fine, and it is up and running.
I also tried my video player, SMSplayer. Not that great.
Pete
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jaylach
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Posted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 2:50 am |
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The device makers waiting to offer drivers was one of the biggest hassles with Win Vista. This was partly the fault of MS for waiting so long between OS releases. When things went more smoothly look at the time between OS releases... 95, 98, 2000, etc.. What was it, 5 or 6 years between XP and Vista? That was too long.
I also think that some device makers just got greedy, printer manufacturers especially. They pretty much decided to heck with our older printers. If there is a new OS people can also pay us for a new printer. Most printer manufacturers only offered Vista drivers for their latest models.
I don't think that it makes sense for the device manufacturers to wait until a release of 10 to make drivers. In this case MS has gone back to their new release of an OS every few years which proved so successful with earlier Windows releases. Of course not all but I think that some that are already using 10 will not put up with this from outside venders again and will start looking for device makers that DO keep up with what is going on and also allow customers to try using their devices on such pre-release versions of Windows.
It is also to the advantage of the device makers to provide drivers for such pre-release versions of Windows (or other operating systems) as this would mean that they are ready with drivers when the OS goes retail. This would build customer faith in their consumer base and increase the odds of the consumer buying from them again.
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