If you add exceptions, Jay, are they treated as "or" or as "and" -- I would hope as "or."

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stephen boots
Microsoft MVP 2004 - 2020
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Actually it seems that you could stack them and have a pretty complete Boolean logic setup. If you notice in the last screenshot it is not a case of just selecting one option. You can select multiple.

Say that you wanted to only accept emails if your name is in the To or Cc fields but also want to receive a Newsletter that just shows your email in the To field. You would allow if your name was in the To or Cc fields but can also stack with the name of the news letter as a word in the header. All three of the options would be valid.

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If stacking options works as you describe, that means it treats the series of exceptions as "or" so that any one of the exceptions cause the rule to take action.

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stephen boots
Microsoft MVP 2004 - 2020
"Life's always an adventure with computers!"

Yes, it is mostly 'or' but an 'and' situation can be created. For instance I could set a rule to have my name in the To field 'and' specific words in the subject. If both conditions are met send to a specific folder. At first the rules method seemed a bit cumbersome but then I've never done that much with rules. This actually seems quite versatile.

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Jay & Steve - I haven't gotten around yet to working on my rules exceptions, as I've been getting ready to help a neighbor install his new Velocity Win 10 desktop computer. And that's probably going to take me most of tomorrow ('cause I'm slow). But your back-and-forth dialog is helping me understand the logic.....so thanks.

EDIT: One quick question....do you see a way to allow email from everyone on my Contacts list other than having to checkbox each one of them?

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BB
http://barrypatch.net

I actually worried that Steve and I were talking over your head as we've both done rules before and (it seems) you have not done much.

I'm glad that our discussion has been helpful rather than harmful.

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I'm going to guess that you would have to select each. However, look for an option to select all. I'll look later but can't right now.

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I suspect that you would set up the rule to move messages from "people" to a folder of your choosing, but you would then need to select all of the people in your address book after clicking "people" when creating the rule.

You would probably set this to run before the spam rules to prevent the spam rule from grabbing a message you were BCC'd on from one of your contacts.

-steve

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stephen boots
Microsoft MVP 2004 - 2020
"Life's always an adventure with computers!"

@ BB: Yes, you will have to select each contact but can do with one click. Click pn People in the rule template then Contacts. Click on the checkbox for Name and it will select all contacts.

@ Steve: Just due to there being some posts between mine and yours that followed I wanted to make sure that you saw my example of having an 'and' condition in a rule. If not here is a link to the post.
viewtopic.php?p=22055#p22055

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I don't have time to work the issue now, but ALL my email is going to my Junk folder. I think it depends on what eM Client considers to be my name. Some email is addressed to Bill Barry (this goes to Junk folder) and other email is addressed to bbarry@ar****o (and this also goes to Junk folder). So I thinking em Client knows me by a certain name, and I'm not sure what that name is.

So unless the email is addressed to that specific name, then it goes to the junk folder. I wonder how I can find out what eM Client considers my name to be as regards rules?

EDIT: My eM Client license says Bill Barry, but this name still goes to the Junk folder.

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BB
http://barrypatch.net

Did you move the new rule to the top of the rules list? You might also try setting the rule to stop processing rules after the specific rule is finished.

Just while I'm thinking on it; I'd probably see if you can remove the spam filter rule as it does no good as your email account providers seem to not use SpamAssassin.

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Thanks, Jay -- I saw the "and" filter rule.

bbarry, I concur that you would want to add the action to stop processing more rules to the rule that looks for messages where you are in the TO or CC fields that moves these to a specified folder (other than the inbox) and place this rule first in your list. Your junk mail rule should follow to move messages left in the inbox to the junk mail folder. eM Client would know your email address(es) based on what you have configured for the server account(s).

If you do the above and it still misbehaves, post screen captures of each of the rules (details) and your list of rules.

-steve

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stephen boots
Microsoft MVP 2004 - 2020
"Life's always an adventure with computers!"

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BB
http://barrypatch.net

If you flip through the next and back options when you set up the rule you will find the stop processing. It is a checkbox.

Just as with Outlook I would imagine that eM client looks at a 'name' as the same as what you entered as a name when you wet up the accounts. If the name is different between accounts it could be problematic. In the following screen shot it could also be tried by dropping the 'name it the To or Cc' and adding your 'names' to the word in heading list. Remember that each 'word' listing does not need to be a single word as it can also be a phrase. Also make sure that each word/phrase is on a seperate line in the list.

This is a bit hard for me to figure out as I can't easily duplicate. Mayhaps I'll set up a rule on my system to try to send my daily recipe emails to a specific folder but first try the following...

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BB
http://barrypatch.net

Steve, I decided to try screen captures again.

Here is the list of my 3 current rules:


And here is the Wizard rule that I created (first one in the above list). I don't do freehand very well, but I wanted to cut off the email addresses of all my exceptions. What's happening with this rule is that incoming emails are going to my Junk folder even when my name IS in the To field.


Thanks to you and Jay for your help. I stand by for your next recommendation(s).

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BB
http://barrypatch.net

Jay & Steve - OK, at this point I have disabled the Spam filter rule that came with em Client, and I have stopped the processing of all other rules (I found the checkbox, Jay....thanks). But for right now, that's all I am going to do until I see how that works. If it fails, I will try other suggestions.

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http://barrypatch.net

Sounds good. Just to make sure I assume that you are not running eM Client and Live Mail at the same time. If so, stop. It is fine if Live Mail and eM client are both installed but you don't want both running at the same time.

I MAY have also found the issue with using your name in a rule. I just checked my accounts and, when importing, eM Client seems to have dropped the name field for my Hotmail account and replaced with the email address. You may want to check this. Go to Menu>Tools>Accounts. Click on each account and make sure that the name field has your actual name instead of your email address. The name field for my accounts through my hosting made it through but my Hotmaill account dropped the name replacing with the email address. If you want you can send me an email (not through CH) from each account and I'll see what it shows in the from field in the header; whether it is your name or an email address.

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BB
http://barrypatch.net

I got all 5 emails with your name showing Bill Barry so that seems to not be the cause. It is my hope that stopping further processing of rules will help. It is possible that it does not act on a rule until all are done. This could mean that a second or third rule could take precedence.

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OK, thanks. I will see what happens tonight and let you know. As advised, I have disabled the eM Client Spam filter and I have stopped other rules from being processed after my Wizard rule.

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BB
http://barrypatch.net

Thanks for the screen captures -- and I forgot that your rule would list the email addresses and it is good that you snipped them out as we don't need to see them.
The screen captures help tremendously. You're not dense! I was assuming that there were two rules -- one to look for spam to move to the junk folder where you are not named in To or CC unless it was from one of your contacts, and another rule to move messages from your contacts to another folder. Hold off on that idea for now...
I will look forward to updates on the testing. Rules can be rather complicated and finicky, and also hard to diagnose remotely. Jay's advice is spot on.

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stephen boots
Microsoft MVP 2004 - 2020
"Life's always an adventure with computers!"

Thanks, Steve. Unfortunately I didn't get any spam email last night to confirm my testing. It's like taking your car to the mechanic only to have the problem suddenly disappear.

But I am finding the rules to be a little complicated and finicky, and sometimes illogical (in my mind). It's been many years since I took a course in Boolean Algebra.

I will keep you posted.....

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http://barrypatch.net

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BB
http://barrypatch.net

That is why I suggested adding your email addresses as words found in the header.

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